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Hi, I'm having a hard time understanding the logical relationships between sentences in this passage. Each "For" seems to introduce a reason for what was stated in the previous sentence, but it's not clear to me to what part of the sentence each "for" specifically refers. "13 But we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers, about those who are asleep, that you may not grieve as others do who have no hope. 14 For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep. 15 For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words." Here's my understanding as of now: For 13 and 14: We want you to know more about those who are asleep because God will bring them with Jesus. Or you may not grieve as others do who have no hope because God will bring them with Jesus. (Not sure which is correct or neither.) For 14 and 15: God will bring them with Jesus because we will not precede those who have fallen asleep. (?? It doesn't make sense to me.) For 15 and 16: We will not precede those who have fallen asleep because the dead in Christ will rise first. Or because the Lord himself will descend from heaven. (Not sure which is correct or neither.) (2)

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You have half the idea right. "For" does introduce a reason for what was stated in the previous sentence; but it RARELY refers back to a specific part of the previous sentence.Let's look at a modern paragraph for comparison."My favorite director is Edgar Wright. He's my favorite director because I like more of his movies than any other director. He's known because of his fast-paced style, which is a lot of fun. I saw "Scott Pilgrim vs. The World" when I was young, and I have watched many more of his movies since. The most recent one I've seen is "Baby Driver", which was a lot of fun. He has a new thriller out, "Last Night in Soho", but I haven't seen it yet, so I don't know if it's any good."--Each new sentence in this paragraph adds more and more information about why he's my favorite director, but it very quickly stops referring back to previous lines and rather introduces totally new ideas.Let's translate this modern paragraph into (quasi) Biblical language, with a focus on the "for" you're asking about." 1 Edgar Wright is my favorite director, 2 For I enjoy his multiple movies more than any other director's; 3 For his widely-known fast-paced style pleases me. 4 For I saw "Scott Pilgrim vs. the World" when I was but a youg boy, 5 And have since continued to watch his movies. 6 In these recent days I have seen "Baby Driver", 7 And it was good. 8 Wright has created also "Last Night in Soho", 9 But I cannot speak to its quality 10 For I have not yet seen it."Basically, "for" means "because"."I like Edgar Wright because I enjoy his movies.""I enjoy his movies because I enjoy his fast pace.""I enjoy his movies because I saw one when I was young." "I enjoyed Baby Driver a lot.""Because I haven't seen "Last Night in SoHo, I don't know if it's good." ---Note that the second sentence calls back to an idea in the first sentence ("I enjoy his movies"); the THIRD sentence still calls back to the first sentence, not the second.---Note that the fourth and fifth sentences stop explicitly mentioning earlier sentences at all and introduce totally new ideas (still relating to the theme of "Edgar Wright is my favorite").

You have half the idea right. "For" does introduce a reason for what was stated in the previous sentence; but it RARELY refers back to a specific part of the previous sentence.

Let's look at a modern paragraph for comparison.
"My favorite director is Edgar Wright. He's my favorite director because I like more of his movies than any other director. He's known because of his fast-paced style, which is a lot of fun. I saw "Scott Pilgrim vs. The World" when I was young, and I have watched many more of his movies since. The most recent one I've seen is "Baby Driver", which was a lot of fun. He has a new thriller out, "Last Night in Soho", but I haven't seen it yet, so I don't know if it's any good."
--Each new sentence in this paragraph adds more and more information about why he's my favorite director, but it very quickly stops referring back to previous lines and rather introduces totally new ideas.

Let's translate this modern paragraph into (quasi) Biblical language, with a focus on the "for" you're asking about.
" 1 Edgar Wright is my favorite director, 2 For I enjoy his multiple movies more than any other director's; 3 For his widely-known fast-paced style pleases me. 4 For I saw "Scott Pilgrim vs. the World" when I was but a youg boy, 5 And have since continued to watch his movies. 6 In these recent days I have seen "Baby Driver", 7 And it was good. 8 Wright has created also "Last Night in Soho", 9 But I cannot speak to its quality 10 For I have not yet seen it."

Basically, "for" means "because".
"I like Edgar Wright because I enjoy his movies."
"I enjoy his movies because I enjoy his fast pace."
"I enjoy his movies because I saw one when I was young."
"I enjoyed Baby Driver a lot."
"Because I haven't seen "Last Night in SoHo, I don't know if it's good."
---Note that the second sentence calls back to an idea in the first sentence ("I enjoy his movies"); the THIRD sentence still calls back to the first sentence, not the second.
---Note that the fourth and fifth sentences stop explicitly mentioning earlier sentences at all and introduce totally new ideas (still relating to the theme of "Edgar Wright is my favorite").

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Hi, I'm having a hard time understanding the logical relationships between sentences in this passage. Each "For" seems to introduce a reason for what was stated in the previous sentence, but it's not clear to me to what part of the sentence each "for" specifically refers. "13 But we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers, about those who are asleep, that you may not grieve as others do who have no hope. 14 For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep. 15 For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words." Here's my understanding as of now: For 13 and 14: We want you to know more about those who are asleep because God will bring them with Jesus. Or you may not grieve as others do who have no hope because God will bring them with Jesus. (Not sure which is correct or neither.) For 14 and 15: God will bring them with Jesus because we will not precede those who have fallen asleep. (?? It doesn't make sense to me.) For 15 and 16: We will not precede those who have fallen asleep because the dead in Christ will rise first. Or because the Lord himself will descend from heaven. (Not sure which is correct or neither.) (4)

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Thank you! That comparison is really helpful and makes a lot of sense.
So "For" doesn't necesarily refers back to the previous sentence but could even refer back to the second to last one. In that case, I wonder to which sentence each "For" in my passage above refers back. Could you explain this?

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Hi, I'm having a hard time understanding the logical relationships between sentences in this passage. Each "For" seems to introduce a reason for what was stated in the previous sentence, but it's not clear to me to what part of the sentence each "for" specifically refers. "13 But we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers, about those who are asleep, that you may not grieve as others do who have no hope. 14 For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep. 15 For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words." Here's my understanding as of now: For 13 and 14: We want you to know more about those who are asleep because God will bring them with Jesus. Or you may not grieve as others do who have no hope because God will bring them with Jesus. (Not sure which is correct or neither.) For 14 and 15: God will bring them with Jesus because we will not precede those who have fallen asleep. (?? It doesn't make sense to me.) For 15 and 16: We will not precede those who have fallen asleep because the dead in Christ will rise first. Or because the Lord himself will descend from heaven. (Not sure which is correct or neither.) (12)

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Hi, I'm having a hard time understanding the logical relationships between sentences in this passage. Each "For" seems to introduce a reason for what was stated in the previous sentence, but it's not clear to me to what part of the sentence each "for" specifically refers. "13 But we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers, about those who are asleep, that you may not grieve as others do who have no hope. 14 For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep. 15 For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words." Here's my understanding as of now: For 13 and 14: We want you to know more about those who are asleep because God will bring them with Jesus. Or you may not grieve as others do who have no hope because God will bring them with Jesus. (Not sure which is correct or neither.) For 14 and 15: God will bring them with Jesus because we will not precede those who have fallen asleep. (?? It doesn't make sense to me.) For 15 and 16: We will not precede those who have fallen asleep because the dead in Christ will rise first. Or because the Lord himself will descend from heaven. (Not sure which is correct or neither.) (13)What’s this symbol?

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Hi, I'm having a hard time understanding the logical relationships between sentences in this passage. Each "For" seems to introduce a reason for what was stated in the previous sentence, but it's not clear to me to what part of the sentence each "for" specifically refers. "13 But we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers, about those who are asleep, that you may not grieve as others do who have no hope. 14 For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep. 15 For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words." Here's my understanding as of now: For 13 and 14: We want you to know more about those who are asleep because God will bring them with Jesus. Or you may not grieve as others do who have no hope because God will bring them with Jesus. (Not sure which is correct or neither.) For 14 and 15: God will bring them with Jesus because we will not precede those who have fallen asleep. (?? It doesn't make sense to me.) For 15 and 16: We will not precede those who have fallen asleep because the dead in Christ will rise first. Or because the Lord himself will descend from heaven. (Not sure which is correct or neither.) (14)

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